I was just reading someone’s response to house party’s at my fraternity and why they had issues with it. Being a senior I felt a need to comment on this entire situation because I feel that I can bring a certain breadth of knowledge, especially since I’ve prolly been to a ton more parties than any freshman at Rose. The Major complaint on the brothers end was that we haven’t been having many Rose girls coming out to our parties lately. Someone responded with a huge list of complaints so in my ranting I hope to respond to some of them.
First off apparently the biggest issue appears to be alcohol and its availability. I want every girl to know that in my entire time here I have never heard of anyone charging a girl for a drink. So if any girls have been charged that is an exception to the rule. Of course what I have seen is girls going in to people refrigerators taking alcohol out and walking away with it without even saying thank you or asking permission in the first place. I’ve learned to deal with the fact that girls don’t pay for booze, but honestly why shouldn’t you guys tip? Do you think this beer magically appears or the fact that you have tits makes you justified in getting it for free? Now I do make the exception to my friends because if you are a guy or a girl, I generally have no problem giving you free booze. But if I don’t know you, at least spend five minutes talking to me before you ask for alcohol.
I’ve always felt what separates us pikes from a lot of other guys is that we try to act as gentleman at all times. I may act like a prick sometimes but anyone who knows me I will never take advantage of a girl in any state. Can a lot of you girls feel confident getting drunk at someone else’s house and not worry about something bad happening. I won’t specify names but when I was a freshman there was a fraternity (that many girls love going to now) that wasn’t allowed to have girls on their second floor. You know why? Because apparently they had a problem with rape. If girls want to go to a place like that I’m not going to stop them, but our house has always been a place of safety and security.
I also see a problem with a lot of girls at Rose feeling that it’s our privilege that they grace us with their presence. The younger ones especially. No offense girls but there is 0 reason we need to beg you to come out here. People show up to our big parties because they are Awesome! Who else in TH has a place large enough to act as a club, with foam machines and stages? Our house itself is huge and there are plenty of spots to party, the PC, Studio, Bander’s Room, newer additions like my room and Tomsu’s room. Hell the entire Annex. Also there is the 26 acres of land that we can use do to whatever. The DG’s are awesome because we don’t need to convince them to come out. They come because we are a place to have fun. We like them because it’s a two way street not just us worshipping them to come play with us. The more amazing thing is last house party we had I swear half the DG’s that showed up brought their own booze!
Also btw there were complaints about some girls coming out here and being creeped out by pike guys. Well don’t hold yourself on high horses because there are definitely girls in sororities that come out here and creep the hell out of me. You just all think because we are guys, that all we ever want is to have sex with you the second you come in the door, well this is definitely not the case. Just check to see how many Pikes voluntarily have V cards versus other fraternities.
The solution to the problem isn’t really with the girls though, it is with us. First my brothers need to stop complaining about not having rose girls come out. Girls will come out if they have specific friends here. If we want more Tri-Delts or Chi-O’s out here become good friends with them. This will cause a chain reaction that will result in more diverse people coming over. It’s exactly what happened with DG this year. At first it was just Brooke and Jenny, then Jenny brought her friends, and then her friends brought their friends, until it seems like we’ve become their staple. Also we need more upper classmen support. We pikes can’t expect our freshman to recruit girls for us, because 90% don’t have a clue. This year the problem was most of our upperclassmen could careless about getting girls out here because they all have G.F. so why should they put themselves through that work.
If you girls want to have platonic friends in Pike just make the effort, I will admit in a group of 120 guys I’m sure there are some black sheep, but otherwise we are genuinely really nice easy going people despite what other fraternities like to label us. Honestly it’s really easy to form an opinion on what other people say without actually getting to know the people who are being bad mouthed.
Finally none of this was meant to offend anyone; it was just the result of me listening to a giant amount of bitching from the last 4 years. Also I want to add how much I love our dream girl because well she is so damn cool and that we are one of the luckiest fraternities ever for having her.
PS George Mills says Pike has his seal of approval, so take that!
(There was a giant list of comments that I felt I should include with this post – AWH 2/6/2015)
I just wanted to say that I love going to PIKE to parties whether I’m drinking or just there to hang out because I feel so comfortable around the guys. I could go to other fraternities but they make me feel so uncomfortbale. Also Halfpenny, the DG’s love you back!
Posted by Samantha at 09:16 PM on April 18, 2006
I just wanted to say that this is a bunch of shit. Every time I’ve been to the house all the guys were fucking assholes and just tried to get on me. And Alex, really, are those V cards voluntary? Come on.
Posted by Ashley at 12:34 AM on April 19, 2006
Ashley – Well… hate to break it to you but you’re probably a slut if all the guys try to get on you. They’re a bunch of pussies generally and they only hit on girls that are easy… like you you dirty cunt rag of a slut.
Posted by Bander at 01:24 AM on April 19, 2006
Bander play nice lol
Posted by Halfpenny at 09:09 AM on April 19, 2006
dude, pike parties and house parties rock. Like tomsu’s birthday a couple of weekends ago? totally freaking sweet reason to come back to the haute chilin with friends. you guys are awesome!
Posted by Jenn at 09:32 AM on April 19, 2006
Way to back-up your opinion halfpenny…Bander, u need to work on tha tone a little.
I agree that I felt comfortable @ the pike house most of my years. You guys were a good crew and some of my best memories are from my times @ your house.
Posted by Bri at 09:39 AM on April 19, 2006
Yeah… my tone might need improving but I always say, Fight Fire with Fire.
Posted by Bander at 09:59 AM on April 19, 2006
I’m glad many of you girls responded to me on on my website aswell as personally about this issue. I am happy many of you feel comfortable here which is how it should be. For a little bit I had doubts that some of the younger Brothers may not be behaving themselves. Also Ashley I would have to disagree with you about your claims, I wish I could attempt to convince you more but honestly I’m not sure who you are…
Additionally Bander part of being a gentleman is always acting like one. Using words like cunt rag and slut are never appropriate especially when talking to a girl. It doesn’t matter if you are angry or not, you should always show the utmost respect for people.
Posted by Halfpenny at 02:55 PM on April 19, 2006
Halfpenny! I totally agree with you about the alcohol… there is no reason why any girl should expect to get alcohol for free! And I have never had to pay for alcohol at the house. And I’ve always felt comfortable at the house and would never be afraid to leave a friend alone out there. Also, to Ashley, just because you can’t recognize what a gentleman is doesn’t mean that you need to be mean to the Pikes. They are truely gentlemen and if someone did say something to you (jokingly I’d hope), then you probably wouldn’t feel comfortable at any other fraternity.
Posted by Emily at 03:07 PM on April 19, 2006
Thank you Halfpenny, and if i may add i would appreciate it if Bander apologized to Janine for calling her a cunt, bitch, cow, and a sperm receptacle. I do not appreciate it and neither does she. There are issues here that need to be confronted but personal attacks will solve nothing
Posted by Danny at 04:05 PM on April 19, 2006
I am also going to say that the events of today and my girlfriend and I being attacked personally has made me seriously question my decision to become a PIKE, I am sure that there are people who would like to not see me become a PIKE and it is these few that are ruining my entire outlook on the fraternity
Posted by Danny at 04:12 PM on April 19, 2006
Danny you need to let it go. Bander was being a prick but it was only words, shit like that just happens. My forum is not the place to demand an apology from people it is a place for me to express my opinion and people to respond in kind. I don’t want this to turn in to a thing of hate.
Posted by Halfpenny at 04:31 PM on April 19, 2006
i am not turning it into a thing of hate, i am simply asking, politely mind you, for a simple i am sorry, i don’t want him to do a song and dance just two words. However, sorry if i was over-demanding for an apology to an unprovoked attack
Posted by danny at 04:36 PM on April 19, 2006
All i am saying is that people need to take responsibility for their actions, don’t say something unless you mean it, do unto others as they would do unto you, great words with even greater meanings. All i see now is hate, i am trying to smother the fire before it gets out of hand
Posted by Danny at 04:38 PM on April 19, 2006
Halfpenny, I’m glad you took the time to make your post.
Like I said before on Tomsu’s blog, I only wrote that list to give Tomsu (and those who read his blog) some insight on why some Rose girls don’t go to Pike parties. I only based the observations off of the girls on my floor (BSB), so that’s only half the freshmen girls anyway.
Also, I realize that some of those reasons may not be good reasons, but the fact is that they are still reasons why some girls don’t go out. It’s your fraternity’s decision on whether to do anything concerning those reasons to improve you girl numbers or not. It depends on the kinds of girls you want to go to your parties.
You are absolutely right about the upperclassmen not really recruiting any girls. I know that I would encourage all of my female friends on the floor to come out to Pike with me as many weekends as I could afford to go out, but we really only hang out in Tomsu’s room, because he and the guys who hang out in his room are the only Pikes who talk to us regularly. Sure, guys will stop in, but they don’t usually say hi to us unless I or the others greet them first.
Everything you said about befriending girls is true. If you are friends with only one or two girls, they’ll eventually convince their other friends to come out. Then more and more of their friends will start going to Pike more often. The same is also true in reverse. If you anger/upset/use a girl, she’ll tell her friends not to go to Pike, then her friends won’t go, and they’ll stop their friends, etc. Sadly, the negative part of this cycle has been happening over the course of the past couple weeks.
And about the booze… like I said about that reason, I was hesitant to even say that as it was. I just decided to say it anyway, because I know it’s a reason that some girls don’t go to Pike. And like I said before too, the reason may not be a good one, but it’s still a reason that’s keeping girls away. I know I always tip Tomsu when he serves me stuff, but I do also realize that some people (male and female) do not.
I loved Pike. Whenever people would ask me about the fraternities, Pike and Delta Sig were always the ones I recommended: they have good guys, they have fun parties, they have a nice house, and it’s SAFE to go there and drink. I know it’s not safe for girls, regardless of their mental state, at most fraternities in this country.
However, a few of the guys are making it hard for me recommend Pike to anyone.
There are some guys who have personal grudges against me (and against some other Rose girls I’m assuming) who attacked me, not even addressing the list I made, or leaving their names. They just wanted an excuse to call me names to “get back” at me, for whatever reason. It didn’t work, because actions speak louder than words, and I know those guys would never say half of what they did online to my face.
The parties have kinda been dragging lately, but I don’t go out to the house for the parties, so it doesn’t matter to me; I go to hang out with the guys I know and like (such as Tomsu, Covele, etc.).
Your house is still a nice one, but the atmosphere is definitely going to be awkward, and I’m hoping not containing animosity, if I go out there with my friends again. I know some of the brothers do not appreciate my, or any other thinking girl’s, presence there, but we shall see how things unfold.
And as far as feeling safe… I always have felt safe at Pike. Except recently. I have been told several stories of girls being used sexually lately while they were intoxicated. That is what most girls fear when they go to fraternity houses, so how do you think that makes me and my female friends feel when we hear about or experience that? I know that not every Pike guy does it (or you would never have maintained that safe reputation), but it does not seem like anyone is condemning those actions. And inaction can be just as bad as action, so in my opinion, I’d advise all of you to do something about the brothers who are using girls like that.
That is all I can think of to respond to your post, Halfpenny. I want to thank you again for making a well thought-out post on the issues that have come up, and giving helpful suggestions for those who can do something to make a difference. You are one of the Pikes showing the good side of your fraternity right now, which makes me, and all of the girls who are following this thing, very happy. Because of guys like you, Pike has a chance to maintain its good reputation at Rose.
Posted by Janine at 04:39 PM on April 19, 2006
First off thank you for your input Janine is insightful. If anyone and I mean anyone, brothers, guests, etc is causing problems especially those of a sexual nature, tell me in private as soon as you can and I will handle it. There would only be inaction if people didn’t know it was happening. Trust me.
Second don’t let a few guys ruin your experiences in all honesty very few brothers even know this flame war is occuring. Its a few nameless brothers who are being dicks cause they don’t know better and they are just being impulsive without seeing more than 2 inches in front of their faces.
Finally Danny this is not the place to demand an apology no matter how much you think its justified. If you want one, the way an adult does it is through personal interaction, not demands over a blog. Sorry if that sounds harsh but its true.
Posted by Halfpenny at 04:48 PM on April 19, 2006
i am done
Posted by danny at 04:50 PM on April 19, 2006
if you believe that is a demand then we should talk, however i do believe i am in the right, if i ever hurt someone disregarding if i was in the right or the wrong i would apologize, there is no demand, but apparently my side is not being clearly expressed, if anyone wants to talk to me about my views then instant message me or come to my room and talk to me, but I am done trying to defend my girlfriend’s right to not be a target for unprovoked anger
Posted by Danny at 04:54 PM on April 19, 2006
No problem; my original intent was to help. I will definitely let you know and encourage those who are having those kinds of problems to talk to you about them.
I know that logically I can’t let the few taint the whole, and I’ve been trying hard all day not to become too angry about what was said, because like you stated, they don’t know any better.
Danny’s not demanding an apology; he was asking for one because he is very upset with Bander for his comments. I’m not surprised that he’s angry, because Bander’s insults were harsh and unjustified, not to mention just plain rude. They don’t bother me though.
This has not been the first time Bander has insulted me, and I realize that he’s not worth my time, so I just ignore him. But Danny does not want to ignore Bander like I do, because he is Danny’s future brother and he would like everything to be good between them. Obviously that is not going to happen, because Bander has made it abundantly clear that he hates both me and Danny for his own reasons that have been dragged out since second term. His actions and statements have lost him and his girlfriend a lot of friends, but at this point in time, the only one losing out is him.
But again, thank you Halfpenny. You’re definitely a cool Pike. 🙂
Posted by Janine at 05:04 PM on April 19, 2006
Danny – My ‘unprovoked’ source of anger is not unprovoked. Feel free to talk to me in person about it.
Janine – Your ignorance continues to amaze me. I don’t hate you or Danny for any reasons except my own. They are NOT for the Brittany incident. That was never a source of hatred from me. If you care about where it does come from, like Danny, feel free to talk to me in person. My actions and statements have not lost me any friends, but rather gotten my enimies out of my life to an extent to which I can ignore you and you can ignore me in everyday life. Again, if you want to know anything past your petty assumptions, come talk to me, I’m always willing to share my reasons in person.
Halfcent – I sent you an e-mail.
Posted by Bander at 05:16 PM on April 19, 2006
You’re all diseased.
Posted by George Carlin at 05:26 PM on April 19, 2006
Please don’t try to victimize yourself Bander.
And don’t try to say that you don’t hate us, or at least me. There is no other reason why you’d create drama on Tomsu’s blog by taking my helpful post for Tomsu and completely ignoring it just to attack me. Calling someone a cunt, a cow, a bitch, etc., does not help your “I don’t hate you” facade.
I should not have to come to you to find out why you hate me; if you have a problem with someone, you should go tell them. If they don’t know about it, how can they fix it?
Normally I’d be willing to consider talking to you, but I know from my past experiences with you that you just dodge and lie. At this point in time, your opinion means nothing. The minute you have to name-call someone to get your point across, you’ve lost. And considering that was how you started this whole thing, you lost way before you began.
Posted by Janine at 05:27 PM on April 19, 2006
You know what would settle this all… a battle…. what we need are two monkeys two suits of armor to fit the monkeys and two battle axes
Posted by AB at 05:34 PM on April 19, 2006
If Bander’s opinions don’t matter, why are you bothering to respond to him?
Posted by Reason at 05:42 PM on April 19, 2006
I’m doing it for the benefit of the others following this thing. It lets them know what’s really going on, and it shows who’s being… not quite as mature as they should be for their age (to spell it out, those who name-call because they have no real argument against others).
Posted by Janine at 05:44 PM on April 19, 2006
So yeah, I heard about this thing last night while i was working on homework and i laughed….hard. These Shenanigans have gotten far out of hand. Firstly, this whole thing was started by a response to a question. The response consisted of many theories as to way “Condition A” exists. These theories were taken as insults by fellow peers and said peers decided to voice why such theories are false.
But, what happened is that these theories and counter-theories spiraled off into nonsense and shameless namecalling that have yet again spiraled out of control and now onlookers and bystanders have developed prejudgements about people, places, and orginizations as a whole.
I am taken aback by the argument. To the two people involved:
Bander- You are a great guy and a great friend, and I ask you coming from someone who prolly understands you just a little bit more than the opposition, please discontinue the bickering, you have made your point, and I understand you, be provoked no longer.
Janine- I didn’t know who you were at first, until I was reminded, feel free to call me what you like, but I would like to say that the things you have said on both this forum and Tomsu’s have hurt my feelings. I am no drunken asshole who feels up the easy chick, and to see such generalizations posted on a brother’s forum have forced me to make judgements about you that are not nice to say the least. I beg you to stop this, if you have issues with singular members of the fraternity, please bring it to them, but I ask of you not to belittle our organization on our turf.
I’m asking you both as nicely as I can via forum to cease all personal bickering. Any further attempts to “notify the public of “person A”‘s integrity (or lack therof)” will only hinder your own.
Posted by Kowski at 06:02 PM on April 19, 2006
Kowski smells. Kidding. Jesus.
Posted by Bander at 07:10 PM on April 19, 2006
Whoa lots of drama on the blog huh Halfcent. Well I will give you my opinion, not that it really matters much. I would like to say that there is such a big difference between going to frats here at Purdue and at the Pike house at Rose. Being a sorority girl myself I have had a lot of experience with the frats here and I think that some girls from Rose should spend sometime at frats at Purdue to truly appreciate how wonderful Pike’s at Rose are. I would never dream of walking in front of the Pike house at Purdue at night…or really during the day…but I feel absolutely positively safe at your house. I love all of you guys even though I do not know very many of you well. I am better friends with a few of you more than I am with my own sorority sisters. When I meet one of Chris’s friends for the first time and I find out that he is a Pike,I know that they are going to be cool, respectful and fun. I know that they are going to be able to take my sense of humor and be able to kid around with me. I agree with you that you boys should not beg the girls at Rose to come to your parties. I think that this only gives them even bigger heads. I don’t want to start any drama with any Rose girls. But…it is just my experience that their attitudes would not get them very far at Purdue. I think that a lot of the drama that occurs at Rose and at Pike is because your school is so freaking small. It is like high school where everyone knows everyone else…or at least knows their reputations. However, I also think that the size of your school is what makes it so special. It enables your students to have many opportunities that many others on large campuses would not have. I just feel that some of the girls that treat Rose boys like shit would be single and lonely at Purdue. I don’t know who said the whole “are those V cards voluntary? Come on.” I think that if I were a guy at Rose I would not want to have a whole lot of sex with Rose girls either. It is like high school in that there is not much choice and it is kinda like inbreeding. I think that if you boys were to have spent the last four years at Purdue those “V cards” would have long been gone…even if you did not want to give them up. With a campus of 38,000+ ,half of which are girls there would be a lot more options. I would also like to say that the only times I have been hit on at Pike parties are by the girls and the only time I have ever felt uncomfortable has been around the girls. The whole “fucking asshole” comment…I am a firm believer that you teach people how to treat you and they give to you what you give to them. Like I said the only assholes that I have ever found at the Pike house are a few guys that are NOT Pikes that are there…and the girls.
But what the hell do I know? It is fucking GRAND PRIX and I am on my second bottle of Boone’s…
Posted by Chelsea at 07:34 PM on April 19, 2006
I dont know who you are Chelsea but i like you…
Posted by AB at 08:08 PM on April 19, 2006
I *Heart* You Chelsea! I can’t wait to live by you next year we are going to have sooo much fun 🙂
Posted by Halfpenny at 08:37 PM on April 19, 2006
who ever Danny is needs to grow up… people get called names, it happens. They are just names! Its not like bander walked up to your gf and bitch slapped her with a bat. Also when did we care that Rose girls never came to our parties? We never even flyered rose for parties back in the day! (The good old days of kothera as the social chair) Yes every fraternity has their black sheep that can creep girls out but if I think you go by percentages Pike is surely the lowest.
Posted by Burgner at 08:48 PM on April 19, 2006
Look at all those comments! I’ll make my two cents real short. I love the PIKEs at Rose. These guys are, hands down, the nicest, coolest, CRAZIEST bunch of guys around. I’m sad for those who can’t see it and pumped for those who can. The times with these boys have been some of the best of my life.
Posted by Jenny at 10:02 PM on April 19, 2006
rose girls rock…and so do the pikes.
🙂
i think all of these posts are funny…and people should calm down… all in all…girls and guys a like at rose are kinda weird (we did choose rose after all and we take this brutal beating for four years). just because there are a few bad grapes in each bunch doesnt mean we should attack eachother and point out eachothers faults. some girls are bitches and some guys are assholes..that shouldnt be pinned on a fraternity, sorority, or GDI as a whole..and you get that at ANY school you go to…not just rose.
anyway…happy hump day!
Posted by cat at 10:09 PM on April 19, 2006
Kowski, I can’t put a face to you, but I know your name and I’ve probably met you. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings, but I stand by my original post on Tomsu’s blog. If you read that and my other posts, you will find that I, and others, do realize that not all Pikes are bad guys; just a few are, which happens with every organization. However, the few can taint the whole, so I would suggest doing something about that. I’m not going to try to make you do anything because I know that I can’t and that it isn’t right of me to try, but it is something you and your fraternity need to look into. A few people are ruining your reputation as a whole. And sadly, only those who go out to Pike fairly often (such as myself and my friends) will be able to realize that it’s only a few guys doing that. The newcomers will not, and if enough people who don’t know Pike that well saw this whole thing, I’m pretty sure they’d dismiss Pike without a second thought.
Burgner – I do not know who you are, but I am going to address you anyway. Let’s say some guy called your girlfriend the names Bander has called me. Let’s say he did it fairly regularly, and this is the first time he’s ever done it to her face. How would you react if he said those things to your girlfriend? I’m hoping you wouldn’t condone those insults, even if the girl they were said to isn’t your girlfriend. Just think on that before trying to tell Danny to grow up; he’s handling this well for someone who has been insulted repeatedly himself by those not involved for trying to defend his girlfriend from vulgar insults that are completely unjustified themselves.
Posted by Janine at 10:13 PM on April 19, 2006
“However, the few can taint the whole, so I would suggest doing something about that.”
Taint the balls and taint the ass. Taint.
Posted by Bander at 10:49 PM on April 19, 2006
Weeeeeellllll, I guess it just won’t work. But I would like to say a few things in the defense of Pike. Apparently you think there are a few bad apples in this fraternity, but I can assure you that most of us will confront a brother if we ever knew about such behavior towards women.
And now I will ask a fovr of you, please send me an email of your concerns with members of this fraternity, and I will make sure to get on top of the issue as soon as possible, I don’t like being disrespected and I am not one to disrespect anyone I meet.
My email address is rutkowml@rose-hulman.edu
send me your concerns ASAP as I am hurt by these issues you bring up and if you want us to actually do something about it, then let me know.
please quit subjecting halfpenny to this argument that he is not a part of.
Posted by Kowski at 11:07 PM on April 19, 2006
I would love to know why the fact that my boyfriend chose to be an ass should reflect negatively on me. So thanks for brining up more things that have NOTHING to do with the original post on Tomsu’s blog…
Honestly… I love PIKE and I would still if Bander broke up with me tomorrow… You are all amazing men and I guess it just takes a certain kinda girl to love you all, I heart you alex, thanks for trying to keep my man a gentlemen
Posted by anonymous at 11:12 PM on April 19, 2006
Kowski… I will make emailing you a matter of national security, as should everyone else
and duh, that was me before… forgot to sign my name OOPS
Posted by Brittany at 11:14 PM on April 19, 2006
I still love Pike, but I, and others, are not going to make ourselves blind to the faults in the fraternity as a whole, or in some of its specific members. If the fraternity as a whole wants respect, then the fraternity as a whole needs to give respect to those who visit. Respect is a two-way street, and I think it’s safe to say that’s it’s highly lacking from some people on one side.
Posted by Janine at 11:23 PM on April 19, 2006
Posted by Rodzik at 11:28 PM on April 19, 2006
This is all incredibly ridiculous. Honestly I’ve laughed at the style, flare, and enthousiasm people are putting into insulting each other. The original issue is why Rose girls have not been coming out to the Pike house and to their parties. Honestly, I think the only reasons is because the invitation has not been put out there. PR for parties has died down drastically for all fraternities here at Rose. It’s not even specific to Pike. If you want Rose girls there, simply ask. I’ve made this point to several different people.
Beyond the actual point in hand, stop insulting each other. It is not accomplishing anything. Bander-You know I do not tolerate that word (the “C word” for the kids at home), and you’ve thrown it around a lot on these forums. No girl deserves to be called that word…I don’t care how much you dislike them or how much you lack respect for them.
Also, I’d like to state that Janine’s points have some validity to them (and I’m not attempting to credit or discredit) but they do not speak for all of BSB3. Just something I’d like to note. Her points come from her circle of friends, which is to be expected. (Double note: I’m not saying that’s in any way wrong…simply a fact of the situation!)
All I know is I’ve been here for two years, I’ve had the wonderful opportunity to be an SA, and I’m happy to be a Rose girl. It was actually through my job as an SA that I started really getting to know the Pikes. I’ve had positive experiences there, and I love those boys. Rose girls, contrary to popular belief, do not generally have the goddess syndrome. It is generally a few that ruin it and then people stereotype. If you think I am incorrect in saying so, I’d have to disagree with you. I’m a Rose girl, I know 80% of campus, and I’ve been with this years freshman class all year. Rose girls are simply different…not better, not worse…simply different. We have to be or we’d never make it through this hell called Rose. I’m not going to lie…I’m not exactly normal, but I enjoy and appreciate my quirks, and I think anyone who knows me will agree with me.
I’m going to stop putting in my opinion now with this last point of interest. No one should ever call into question the V card or the reasons for keeping it or not. I don’t think it’s right to say they would or would not keep it at a state school or a larger school. No one should EVER insult someone for that kind of choice. I don’t think you all should be insulting each other in the first place. You don’t like each other, fine. You should at least have the decency to treat each other with respect, and it goes in both directions, and I will be more than happy to talk about it at length to your face!
With love and a smile,
K 2 the AREN
Posted by K 2 the AREN at 11:36 PM on April 19, 2006
Please do a ‘Find and Replace All’ with ‘cunt’ to ‘dirty pirate hooker.’ I believe this solves 49% of the problems.
Posted by Bander at 11:40 PM on April 19, 2006
My points don’t all come from my circle of friends, Karen. I’m not saying that in a mean way at all, I’m just stating so. I do listen when the other girls talk in the hall, and most of the statements I made were based on what I’ve heard or been told by those I don’t talk to often on the floor. It is based off mostly observations, but also partially off of experiences. The post was made to help, and like I already said, the reasons may not be good ones, but they are reasons.
Posted by Janine at 11:41 PM on April 19, 2006
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There is not enough <3’s for everyone, please, I want more.
Posted by Kowski at 11:43 PM on April 19, 2006
Janine, I liked when I first met you. You seemed nice. You came to my room during parties. I have some pictures on my wall that you drew for me, but I have to disagree with some of the things you have said.
When you say “the fraternity as a whole needs to give respect to those who visit” I am deeply troubled. I do not believe attacking all 100+ members of my brotherhood is fair in the least bit. You are generalizing about a group that includes more than 5% of Rose students (1 in 20 people). You speak about respect being a two-way street, but when you make rude comments such as this about most likely 50 people whom you do not know, you breed a large amount of angst into large number of respectable and influential people at Rose.
You say you’re being mature, but you’re not. If you were a guy I’d say be the bigger man and let it go, but you’re not a guy, so be the bigger woman and let it go.
Posted by JJ at 11:48 PM on April 19, 2006
Janine- I know it’s not only from your immediate circle…but I just was uneasy about you speaking for the whole floor…Note: not meant to be mean either. You should know I wouldn’t intend that by now, so I’m not going to keep noting it. And I’m not saying you’re off-base for the people you’ve heard things from. I just happen to have insight from a LOT of other sources than just people on the floor, or people you’ve heard things from. It’s kind of what I do…I know a LOT of people and it has quite an impact when I form opinions.
Bander- Stop being an ass…you know I love you, I will always love you. If you were standing next to me, I’d probably serenade you with an 80’s power ballad. But show some respect even if you hate. You know exactly what I would say to you.
With love and a smile,
K 2 the AREN
Posted by K 2 the AREN at 11:49 PM on April 19, 2006
Please do a ‘Find and Replace All’ with ‘dirty pirate hooker’ to ‘friend.’ I believe this will actually solve 49% of the problems.
Posted by Bander at 11:54 PM on April 19, 2006
halfpenny is hot! 🙂
thanks for the shake tonight…you rock
Posted by cat at 12:03 AM on April 20, 2006
Posted by Rodzik at 12:09 AM on April 20, 2006
I got number 50!!!!
Posted by Halfpenny at 12:10 AM on April 20, 2006
Oh charles no….#50…..
I’m the juggernaut bitttttttttttttttttttttttttttchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh………….
Posted by Rodzik at 12:10 AM on April 20, 2006
Jerrry! Jerrry! Jerrry! Jerrry!
Posted by Thiede at 12:33 AM on April 20, 2006
This is to JJ and everyone else who thinks that I’m attacking all Pikes: That is not what I was saying at all. My original post was trying to be helpful; to give insight. Any other comments that seem rude or generalizing to you have come about because I was unprovokingly called a cunt, a bitch, etc. If you were called those names repeatedly, I’m sure you’d get a little angry and/or frustrated too, especially when you’re trying to help out the fraternity you used to like.
You guys do need to do something. If you are going to let your brothers treat people, regardless of their gender, college year, greek or non-greekness, the way I have been treated all day, then you guys are the only ones who are going to lose in the long run.
You have a few ruining the good reputation of all of you; I haven’t done anything. I could’ve photocopied the anonymous and non-anonymous comments I received intitially and flyered campus. How would you explain that then? All everyone would see is some girl trying to answer a simple question with a helpful response, and then see her get personally attacked for no reason by multiple guys at Pike. At the very least, that’s very bad PR.
Like I already said, inaction can be just as bad as action. If you aren’t going to stop your brothers from disrespecting people for no reason, you’re condoning his actions. Then he’s going to keep doing it, and you are all going to start looking bad.
And Rodzik, no offense, but you really aren’t helping in proving that Pikes aren’t dicks here. Now I know why I was warned not to talk to you.
Posted by Janine at 12:39 AM on April 20, 2006
Okay. The point has been driven home.
Bander-Do not respond.
Janine-Do not respond.
Everyone else – Let it be. There has been too much drama already, and its time to let it go. Any further discussion on an issue you feel has not come to a head needs to be continued in person. FACE TO FACE.
Posted by Tomsu at 12:39 AM on April 20, 2006
Rodzik, stop, you are not helping, please stop
Posted by Danny at 12:41 AM on April 20, 2006
I believe a face to face discussion now will only end in punches, that is not how this should be solved, it should be approached constructively and intelligently
Posted by danny at 12:43 AM on April 20, 2006
Tomsu – no.
Janine – Don’t play a fucking victim here. Nothing I said was unprovoked or without reason. Its been building up for the past quarters and you know it. Noone can be that ignorant. At least the people up here (2nd floor folk) know most of or the whole story so your pity pleas aren’t going very far here. You can post all of the comments around the school if you want, but then you might as well post the rest of the story too. You aren’t and never were a victim so stop playing one.
Posted by Bander at 12:48 AM on April 20, 2006
Posted by Rodzik at 12:48 AM on April 20, 2006
Hold on, my popcorn is done…
I can’t believe people think people’s blogs are actually an acceptable forum for this sort of dispute. Get a room, people. It’s really getting silly. Scratch that – it’s been silly for a long while now.
Posted by Isaac S. at 12:55 AM on April 20, 2006
Posted by Rodzik at 12:59 AM on April 20, 2006
I LOL’d IRL
Posted by Kowski at 01:01 AM on April 20, 2006
Ditto Kowski
Posted by Bander at 01:01 AM on April 20, 2006
Ditto Bander
Posted by JJ at 01:02 AM on April 20, 2006
Ditto JJ
Posted by Rodzik at 01:02 AM on April 20, 2006
O and BTW, just to provide some insight Janine, the people who are attacking you are only doing so because they felt that your original ppost was attackeing them.
Posted by Kowski at 01:02 AM on April 20, 2006
(That and its a LITTLE funny.)
Posted by Bander at 01:04 AM on April 20, 2006
OMFG I LOVE CAPS LOCK IT IS MY FAVORITE BUTTON, HEY GUYS, HEY GUYS, HEY GUYS, LOOK AT ME DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111ELEVENTYBILLIONONE
Posted by KOWSKI at 01:04 AM on April 20, 2006
I believe this was the image Rodzik meant to post… It certainly seems more appropriate to me.
Posted by Isaac S. at 01:10 AM on April 20, 2006
69 BITCHES
Posted by KOWSKI at 01:13 AM on April 20, 2006
Ha! You guys thought there was another comment!
Posted by Thiede at 01:25 AM on April 20, 2006
Since everyone is reading this anyway, come with us to see Silent Hill on Friday…you’ll see me scream like a little girl and piss my pants
Posted by Kenny at 03:26 AM on April 20, 2006
I think I can sadly say the debacle has left the blog. If anyone has a new flame war somewhere else, post the link.
Posted by Bander at 09:25 AM on April 20, 2006
OH NO! I’ve enjoyed reading the arguments of individuals pertaining to an out of context original post escalate to heated insults on an obscure personal matter within a day and a half. I don’t want the fire to cool off. I know! We need another sensitive subject to get the ball rolling again. How about . . . the role of illegal homosexual immigrant terrorists working in receiving entry level positions at oil refineries located on Alaskan wildlife preserves? Ok, have at it.
Posted by Mills at 12:14 PM on April 20, 2006
Have you seen my baseball?
Oh and Janine I dated a certain rose girl for quite a while with the reputation of being a slut and a bitch. (with only the second of the 2 being a deserved title and that only being deserved when she was hungry) Had to deal with rumors about her all the time but to be perfectly honest who gives a rat’s ass about what other people think about you or your significant other. Granted I was also the king of assholes my last few years at rose but damn was it fun.
Posted by Burgner at 12:38 PM on April 20, 2006
To be honest? The best way to get girls to come to events at Pike, offer Fashion Engineering. And I would also truly hope, that my lil brother (yes he was my lil bro first) is most of the time a respectfull guy.
Posted by your sister at 04:00 PM on April 20, 2006
Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.
Posted by He who brings the rain at 10:35 PM on April 20, 2006
Fuck you Burgner. Take that goddamn crown off. If anything, I’ll let you be my court jester.
Guys, sack up, seriously. Halfwit and I never really got along, and we agree on nearly nothing, but to add to his point- Why the hell should we care? Pikes can only go out and be themselves, and although the Fraternity seems to have drastically changed from the one I believed I was entering, the principles don’t.
Rose girls have never been anything to write home about, and I fail to see a significant loss if you don’t attract 50 ugly, socially inept girls and their 2 decent friends.
That said, if you’re inducting some shady guys into the Fraternity, that’s no one’s fault but your own (Burgner and I may be assholes, but somewhere deep down we have consciouses which appreciate the fairer sex). Like it or not, all of your brothers do represent you. Their actions are also yours. That is part of the brotherhood deal. So before you tell the chicas that the problems they encountered was with the rotten 5%, man up and approach those 5%. You can’t make the Fraternity’s reputation by yourself, but someone can sure as hell break it.
Posted by Aymond at 10:48 PM on April 20, 2006
This is gayer then eight guys fucking nine guys.
Posted by rory at 12:55 PM on April 21, 2006